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Old 02-09-2011, 21:20
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There is a rumour that our new park manager is going to clampdown on owners who live/use van for full 11 months of the season.Can they be thrown you off site for this by park.
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Old 02-09-2011, 22:05
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if it's a holiday park then yes they can, you should have a permanant address and only use your van as a holiday home. this is a regular thing that happens on alot of sites inc ours, we have loads that stop all season inc 2 pakistan families that have stalls on the market.
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Old 02-09-2011, 23:55
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Interesting thread - I am still a bit confused about the licenses etc, i understand it is only a holiday park, and i see the differences between residential parks, and needing a permanant address.
What confuses me though is i know of a park that is a 12 month holiday park, you can stay there 12 months of the year, but it cant be your permanant home - is it ok for a park to do this, and is it just upto the individual park on how long the season is?

My park is 10 1/2 months, but i intend to use it all through, lots of people on my site, i think live here, and go into a hotel, or go abroad etc, i guess though they must have a permanant address, as our site seem strict on this matter.
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There is a rumour that our new park manager is going to clampdown on owners who live/use van for full 11 months of the season.Can they be thrown you off site for this by park.
site is amble links(park leisure 2000)
I think the rule on my site is you have to be away for one night in 60, and from Nov- till march you can only use it from Friday Lunch time until Monday lunch time. i have no idea though how they know if you have been away for the 1 night in 60?
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There is a rumour that our new park manager is going to clampdown on owners who live/use van for full 11 months of the season.Can they be thrown you off site for this by park.
site is amble links(park leisure 2000)
Its already been said, yes he can. I would bet that the contract will say people can't live there, the planning and license issued by the council will say that people can't live there. The law offers no protection as holiday parks are not recognised as a residence.

The park can do this any time they like in the name of complying with plannining and licensing. There not a thing any owner can do about it.

This is what I keep warning people about.

That said I do feel sorry for any one who might be displaced from their home. Dont live in caravans people,nits not worth the risk!

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Interesting thread - I am still a bit confused about the licenses etc, i understand it is only a holiday park, and i see the differences between residential parks, and needing a permanant address.
What confuses me though is i know of a park that is a 12 month holiday park, you can stay there 12 months of the year, but it cant be your permanant home - is it ok for a park to do this, and is it just upto the individual park on how long the season is?

My park is 10 1/2 months, but i intend to use it all through, lots of people on my site, i think live here, and go into a hotel, or go abroad etc, i guess though they must have a permanant address, as our site seem strict on this matter.
Hi Diane,

It kind of works like this:

Holiday caravans are made for holiday use. They are meant to be used as a second home. Not a full time home.

Councils issue licenses because people come on holiday and spend money they make outside the local ecconomy in the local ecconomy. Caravan owner spend money whist not costing money in terms of local services. Caravan owners create local jobs rather than take them. Caravan owner pay council tax at their bricks and mortar home.

People who live on caravans (in most cases) don't pay council tax. Those of us who do pay council tax subsidise them. The local councils don't get money from central government to cover the costs of services for people living on caravan parks, simply because they don't exist on any lists. Even so these people still require doctors and other local services, this stretches local services.

If you own a home and you are contributing to the system then you can use your caravan as often as you like. If you're living in a caravan then its only a matter of time before something happens. It may actually change in your favour, but if it does then it might well be at the cost of those who use caravans correctly.

Whatever happens, Tree Top won't be letting people live in caravans.

I am sorry if this response upsets anyone, but this is the reality of the situation.

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East Lindsey District Council , do allow the use of a holiday caravan as a permanent living accommodation. This is due to the severe shortage of local housing.
The only rules to this are that you must pay Council Tax at full band A rate. Be listed on the electoral role locally. Comply with the site licence in terms of the season the site is allowed to be open, and move into rented property during shutdown. And that you accept that you are not classed as homeless , as you are putting yourself into that position and as such do not qualify as homeless.
You can use the address as a postal location.
But and this is the big but, it is upto the site owners/operators if they wish to use this local byelaw. It is not forced upon them it is at there discretion .

This doesnt apply to all councils as far as im aware, only certain ones approved by central government. So be warned check with the site owner first , then check with the local council before you make that decision .
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we have 2 families on our site that do just that so obviously our site is one of them that allow it. not a bad life if you can live in a van all season at the coast and the council pay for it.
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East Lindsey District Council , do allow the use of a holiday caravan as a permanent living accommodation. This is due to the severe shortage of local housing.
The only rules to this are that you must pay Council Tax at full band A rate. Be listed on the electoral role locally. Comply with the site licence in terms of the season the site is allowed to be open, and move into rented property during shutdown. And that you accept that you are not classed as homeless , as you are putting yourself into that position and as such do not qualify as homeless.
You can use the address as a postal location.
But and this is the big but, it is upto the site owners/operators if they wish to use this local byelaw. It is not forced upon them it is at there discretion .

This doesnt apply to all councils as far as im aware, only certain ones approved by central government. So be warned check with the site owner first , then check with the local council before you make that decision .
It's not just the council tax people need to check about, it's the security of tenure. If a park can change their mind about how caravans are used where will you take your caravan if displaced. Please ensure the security of the roof over your head.
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Hi Diane,

It kind of works like this:

Holiday caravans are made for holiday use. They are meant to be used as a second home. Not a full time home.

Councils issue licenses because people come on holiday and spend money they make outside the local ecconomy in the local ecconomy. Caravan owner spend money whist not costing money in terms of local services. Caravan owners create local jobs rather than take them. Caravan owner pay council tax at their bricks and mortar home.

People who live on caravans (in most cases) don't pay council tax. Those of us who do pay council tax subsidise them. The local councils don't get money from central government to cover the costs of services for people living on caravan parks, simply because they don't exist on any lists. Even so these people still require doctors and other local services, this stretches local services.

If you own a home and you are contributing to the system then you can use your caravan as often as you like. If you're living in a caravan then its only a matter of time before something happens. It may actually change in your favour, but if it does then it might well be at the cost of those who use caravans correctly.

Whatever happens, Tree Top won't be letting people live in caravans.

I am sorry if this response upsets anyone, but this is the reality of the situation.

Andy

Thank you Andy for your explanation, i can see it from all angles, i agree that council tax should be paid if the caravan is your permanant home - no question.

I for one would be happy to do this, if our site allowed people to live in their vans, and i think i would consider it too if it were an option, it certainly would cut down on living costs.
Having said that i quite like the fact that i can escape to my van..to chill out and relax - would all that change if you lived in it??? Maybe it would.
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